Der Flug MN17 – die malaysische Boeing – von einer Rakete des Fliegerabwehr-Raketenkomplexes S-125 „Petschora“ (SA-3)

Der Flug MN17 – die malaysische Boeing – von einer Rakete des Fliegerabwehr-Raketenkomplexes S-125 „Petschora“ (nach der Nato-Klassifizierung – SA-3) abgeschossen worden sein könnte. Zumindest hatten zwei Nato-Aufklärungsflugzeuge, die im Luftraum Polens und Rumäniens das Geschehen in der Ukraine beobachtet haben, sein In-Funktion-treten im Abschussgebiet fixiert. Das Dokument, das vom Staatssekretär des Auswärtigen Amtes Markus Ederer unterzeichnet wurde, enthalte zwar keinerlei Schlussfolgerungen, doch sie würden auf der Hand liegen, bemerkt der Direktor des Zentrums für strategische Konjunktur Iwan Konowalow: „Der Bericht, den die Niederländer im Ergebnis der Untersuchung erstellten, offenbarte nichts. Es ist klar, dass die Boeing abgeschossen wurde. Aber alle erwarten die Antwort auf die Frage, wessen Rakete es gewesen sei. Die deutsche Version fügte dem allgemeinen Bild noch ein weiteres hinzu – dass es die ukrainische Seite gewesen sei. Der S-125-Komplex - das ist eine alte Anlage, in der russischen Armee gibt es sie längst nicht mehr, und schon gar nicht gehört sie zur Bewaffnung der Volkswehr des Donbass.

https://de.sputniknews.com/meinungen/20140919269586299-Russland-wird-Abbremsung-der-Untersuchung-vom-Boeing-Absturz/
http://dip21.bundestag.de/dip21/btd/18/025/1802521.pdf
http://love-anarchy.clan.su/images/1802521.pdf

Top German General: Western Evidence of Russian Invasion is Baloney

This guy, Harald Kujat, is a big deal in the German military.  He was Chief of Staff of the German Armed Forces.  He doesn't believe Western and Ukrainian evidence of a Russian invasion.
This comes from a recent episode of one of the most popular political talk shows in Germany, Maybrit Illner.

 The other guests on the show including Martin Shulz, President of the European Parliament, kept talking about "Russian aggression".
General Kujat doesn't buy it.  Here's what he said:

• It's lot of speculation. Proof of Russia's involvement with regular force has not come to my attention so far.

• For example, the announcement of the Ukrainian President that 23 Russian armed vehicles have been destroyed on Ukrainian soil.  There are no photos of surviving Russian soldiers nor of killed Russian soldiers.

• We have been shown five satellite pictures as a proof that Russian Forces are in the Ukraine. Three of them were marked officially as "on Russian territory". Two of them are marked as "on Ukraine territory". The Russian pictures are marked with the exact location, while the Ukrainian ones have no mention of location and coordinates.

• We have to be very careful about what the Ukraine and the West says.

 http://russia-insider.com/en/germany_military_tv_ukraine/2014/11/11/08-38-23am/top_german_general_western_evidence_russian

Satellite photo evidencing MH17 was downed by fighter jet

First, the Boeing came under gun fire and then the cockpit was hit by an air-to-air missile, its right engine and the right wing were hit by a heat-seeking missile

MOSCOW, November 14. /TASS/. Russia’s television Channel One said on Friday it had a photo presumably made by a foreign spy satellite in the last seconds of Malaysia’s MH17 flight over Ukraine.
Channel One showed Ivan Andriyevsky, the first vice president of the Russian Union of Engineers, demonstrating a photo sent by a George Beatle, who had introduced himself as an air traffic controller with a 20-year working record.

Working conditions safe for investigators MH17 crash site — OSCE

According to Beatle, the Malaysian Boeing was shot down by a fighter jet that followed it. First, the Boeing came under gun fire and then the cockpit was hit by an air-to-air missile, its right engine and the right wing were hit by a heat-seeking missile.
The e-mail had an enclosed snapshot of a missile launch from under the fighter’s left wing directed right at the Boeing cockpit.
“We see a space shot made from a low orbit. Such photo shots are typically made in air and ground surveillance purposes,” Andriyevsky said. “Coordinates on the photo hint that it was made by an American or a British satellite. We have thoroughly analyzed this photo to find no signs of fake.”
The Boeing 777-200 of the Malaysia Airlines en route from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur crashed on July 17 in Ukraine’s eastern Donetsk Region, some 60 km (over 37 miles) from the Russian border, in the zone of combat operations between the Donetsk self-defense forces and the Ukrainian army. All the passengers and crewmembers onboard the aircraft - 298 people - died. Most of the passengers - 196 people - were Dutch citizens.

http://en.itar-tass.com/world/759835

Obama Should Release Ukraine Evidence

With the shoot-down of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 over Ukraine turning a local civil war into a U.S. confrontation with Russia, U.S. intelligence veterans urge President Obama to release what evidence he has about the tragedy and silence the hyperbole.
MEMORANDUM FOR: The President
FROM: Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity (VIPS)
SUBJECT: Intelligence on Shoot-Down of Malaysian Plane
Executive Summary
U.S.–Russian tensions are building in a precarious way over Ukraine, and we are far from certain that your advisers fully appreciate the danger of escalation. The New York Times and other media outlets are treating sensitive issues in dispute as flat-fact, taking their cue from U.S. government sources.
 U.S.–Russian tensions are building in a precarious way over Ukraine, and we are far from certain that your advisers fully appreciate the danger of escalation. The New York Times and other media outlets are treating sensitive issues in dispute as flat-fact, taking their cue from U.S. government sources.

http://consortiumnews.com/2014/07/29/obama-should-release-ukraine-evidence/